Senate Meeting Minutes :: 5.23.19 :: Week 8
Minutes of the SCU Student Senate Meeting May 23rd, 2019
Senate Chair Alex Perlman Pro-Tempore Mary Balestreri Parliamentarian Ricky Matthews
First Year Senators:
Allie Bare Justin Chan Hiwad Haider Kate Padrnos Luke Paulson
Ciara Moezidis Nicholas Niehaus Sahil Sagar
Vidya Pingali Mika Philip David Warne Avery James
Leif Allmeroth Claire Hultquist Eoin Lyons Kayla Williams Rachel Wiggins
Nina Molanphy Jim O’Brien Raul Orellana Rory Pannkuk Eduardo Ruano Amber Wang James Wang
1. CALL TO ORDER Senate Chair Alex Perlman called the May 23rd, 2019 meeting of the Santa Clara University Student Senate to order at 7:00 pm in the Williman Room.
Senate Chair Alex Perlman invited Senior Senator Rachel Wiggins to recite the invocation.
2. ROLL CALL
Pro-Tempore Mary Balestreri took roll at 7:06 pm.
3. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA Senate Chair Alex Perlman asked the Senate to consider the agenda for the current meeting. He requested questions and comments related to the agenda. Hearing none, he asked for a motion to approve the agenda. Senior Senator Leif Allemeroth motioned to approve the agenda and At-large Senator Rory Pannkuk seconded the motion.
4. APPROVAL OF THE PREVIOUS MINUTES Senate Chair Alex Perlman asked the Senate to consider the previous meeting minutes and requested questions and comments related to the minutes. Hearing none, he asked for a motion to approve the minutes. Senate Chair Alex Perlman asked for a motion to vote the minutes. Senior Senator Kayla Williams motioned to vote At-large Senator Rory Pannkuk seconded the motion. Pro-tempore Mary Balestreri took roll and the minutes were approved.
5. SPECIAL ORDERS OF BUSINESS
Guest Speaker: President-Elect - Fr. Kevin O’Brien
Senate Chair Alex Perlman invited Fr. O’Brien to the front of the Senate to discuss.
The question and answer to this segment is listed below:
Senior Senator Rachel Wiggins: How do you want the Santa Clara community to feel about you and this new position?
That I made them feel heard and respected. It's not simply about respect, but I hope they feel revered.
At-large Senator Rory Pannkuk: The two final point of working with the campaign and the silicon valley. What would an innovative and entrepreneurial spirit look like at Santa Clara, and in 5-10 years what would that look like?
Be humble enough to know we don't have the answers. Our experiences have become so diverse over time, and the change is exponential. We have to be humble enough to change and bold enough to take the risk. Teachers learning to let go of the classrooms students learning to be challenged on a certain way. Its innovation for innovation's sake but only if it is form a good reason. For what are for whom are we doing for?
Senior Senator Kalaya Williams: If you are on student government, what would your personal project be?
It would be with undocumented students and their families. At Georgetown we helped establish the firms LGBTQ resources center. I hope they feel that this is a home for them.
First-year Senator Hiwad Haider: What are some ways you have made your self accessible, and how do you plan on carrying that on?
I am around alot. So finding a way to teach, but to be present. Sam and Alex have given me ideas about how to be present. We need to rely on you to give me ideas to do this. I don't have to get in the way but i am open to ideas. I've been meeting with people all around campus. I have spent a lot of time in benson.
First-year Senator Allie Bare: Could you give us any ideas on ways you could help the student body to be heard. How can you offer an arm to them?
I don't understand the rhythm just quite yet. There is some structural stuff within the governments of the university. It's boring but important work. It's the more informal. Sitting in Benson and you just sit down and talk to people and I think that is more effective.
Senior Senator Claire Hultquist: You mentioned that you like to be in the classroom what would you want to teach?
Our heart has to be in the classroom. I taught a course on faith and the millennial generation and finding your calling in life.
First-year Senator Kate Padrnos: A Lot of students feel that SCU vision is future based, how will you make sure the current students and faculty feel that it is important now in the moment?
My job is to bring my university to that place in the future. So it is hard to do both, but people try to ground me. All of the good work, have been because people like you helped to enact those reforms.
At-large Senator Eduardo Ruano: At the quarterly diversity forum one thing that many felt concerning was that no current administration was in present, and that shows that these issues are not on their priority list. How will you make them aware that this need to be tackled head on?
Presences is important and to be there in those moments is important. We need to hear from you to help us understand at what point would our presence be helpful. At-large Senator Eduardo Ruano: I think it is accountability. I hope you can reach out to them and hold them accountable.
Sophomore Senator Sahil Sagar: Why did you choose SCU? SCU chose me. They said yes and we will back you, but for me, SCU people love
being here and feel committed, so critic and activism is not a bad thing. Given our background and resources we are in the position to lead higher ed across the country and have an inclusive community. Who we are and what we are doing now and what we can do together. Your gut tells you that you want to be with these people. There is a feeling deep inside that I could be my best self here and I want to to be a part of that and it's like you are leading a team and I want to be a part of that.
6. NEW BUSINESS
Young Americans for Freedom discussion:
Senate Chair Alex Perlman called up the representatives from Young Americans for Freedom to present their RSO to the Senate. The questions and answer portion of this segment, and related debate is listed below:
Sophomore Senator Kyle Andrews: So You said that you were working with the YAF national chapter. Does that mean you are not officially a chapter?
Lauren: No we are official through YAF nationals. Quinn: I think in that particular circumstance she was talking about being in contact with the person at WAF.
At-large Senator Eduardo Ruano: Could you talk a little more about No More Che Day? Quinn: That is something that YAF puts on every year. Che Was a Communist and a lot of people died because of his actions and we want to educate people, And we have the right to express our viewpoint towards, and obviously with Che Guevara we think that some of the narrative surroundings that run him as a positive figure aren’t well founded as he is responsible for the death of a lot of people and we want to make sure people realize that.
Lauren: it is also under the free market part of YAF and how we are more a capitalist organization and how we talk about economics.
At-large Senator Raul Orellana: One of your focus is no threats or direct physical harm, but you do have a history of physical harm towards the LGBTQ+ community. So then how is that promoting a safe environment for all while also promoting conservative values and Shall I read a statement that one of my constituents provided ( Statement) “A YAF chapter at Michigan state university in 2007 organized a protest against legislation that protected trans votes. Although I am not trans, I am a lesbian and a protest like that I a protest against my right to exist and to exist safety. Some instances to have their voices heard on campus does not trump my right to feel physically and emotionally safe on campus.” I wanted to know how your stance on safety and traditional values is supposed to include everyone with your history of emotional and mental harm to this community.
Lauren: So that is a great point that which is important to distinguish that we are a unique chapter. So while YAF nationals may stand for traditional values, what we want as our own YAF chapter at Santa Clara is to have safe and respectful dialogue with different communities. So, I would be honestly ashamed if anyone in our YAF chapter said anything harm to the LGBTQ+ community. I think that is incredibly irresponsible. So I think with free speech, we really want to advocate that every single voice on this campus has a chance to be able to share their ideas.
Quinn: I would also like to mention that that is not a threat to physical harm. At-large Senator Raul Orellana: I had said that this was not physical harm, but that is still emotional and mental harm. So is that still promoting a safe environment? I think you are derailing from the question. Quinn: We are allowed to have our viewpoints. The standards say direct physical harm and we have never had a history of that. Also, regarding emotional harm., mental harm, we cannot control how other people feel but we do have a right to discuss our viewpoint. I will say that we will not go out of our way to make people feel unsafe. But we do have a right, actually, a legal right to express our viewpoint on this campus and I think that and I think that as an inclusive campus, we should value ourselves in that.
Sophomore Senator Ciara Moezidis: I think I am struggling with that fact that a majority of the presentation that you discussed, having this dialogues, having these conversations, really being able to engage with other individuals on campus that may have different viewpoints. But at the end of the day, we will all be able to talk. So what I am struggling with is when I reached out to you by email two weeks ago to ask if we could engage in a dialogue about BroncoPosi movement, specifically toxic masculinity and conservative ideologies that steam from your YAF presentation, I was ignored. So, I was fine with that, so I decided to follow up with that about four days ago, and once again I was ignored. So how could I be sure before the YAF presentation today, that if you are promoting that verbally, I would like to see that there is action rather than all talk and no walk? At the moment, I don’t feel like what you are saying is credible for me to vote.
Quinn: I am sorry that I did not have time to get coffee with you, Senator. Respectfully, that is not a direct reason for you to vote. When you say that an organization doesn’t promote dialogue, that doesn’t reflect. I’ve been very busy with a lot of tests, this has obviously taken up a lot of my time. But we are going to do it. I’m sorry that you maybe didn’t feel the best about that. But I will remind you that the last time I sent an email to ASG. But we are going to be comfortable with other groups. I’m sorry, I have the right to suspend my time how I want it. But our chapter is still going to stand for that.
Lauren: If I was included on the email, I really would have liked to have had a conversation with you and talk about it. Please reach out I would love to have that conversation.
First-year Senator Hiwad Haider: Thank you guys for presenting, I know you presented before. This is a great example of you going through our process and the system in place. Cudos. The issue I have this time around surrounds the idea of intent versus impact. So looking at this, from someone who is ideologically, definitely different. I think that your intentions are so pure and I look forward to what you are striving to create. But you do have to look at the impacts from other viewpoints, and it’s not enough to say that you made an impact in a certain part of the SCU community. The examples I see, like legal immigration. If you are going to celebrate legal immigration, that does not meet the Jesuit values of community and inclusivity. It does not celebrate undocumented immigrants. You can say that it impactful it is, but I don’t see any ideas or active standpoints of it being inclusive. Then you talk about the associations, again with intent versus impact, with the Reagan Ranch, with the LGBTQ community. The Reagan administration had people that were responsible for not addressing HIV/AIDS. I want ideas on how you are going to mitigate these harms that are going to happen when you say it with confidence or when you say it otherwise.
Quinn: So again, I will address that discrimination is illegal. We have a right on this campus to advocate for what we believe in. For the sake of posing direct physical harm, I can’t control how other people view our statements. President Reagan, he was a great president, he did a lot of great things. But again, I will stress other people’s options and what they believe in cannot dictate, necessarily, whether it works or not. Again, viewpoint discrimination is illegal.
Just because we are a conservative group, you can’t vote against us. And I know people are maybe going to skew that in different ways, but again it is a matter of did we meet all of the requirements. Lauren: Going off of impact versus intent, I want to make it very clear that if there is ever a case where our impact on the community, is not relative to our intent and what we are trying to promote. Then as Vice Chairman, I would willingly step down and remove myself, because I want to be apart of an organization that promotes dialogue and makes people feel comfortable. For me, I often face situations, unfortunately, as a conservative woman, in dialogue where I feel that my voice is really silenced as well, and I would like to make sure that as Vice Chairman of YAF, that every single voice on this campus has a voice and feels that their ideologies and values are being discriminated against. So our impact, if it is negative in any way, I would willingly step down and not want to be associated with YAF. I think Quinn can vouch for that as well. Our intent shows our impact as we figure out how we are going to move forward.
Quinn: I think that people will construe what we do. It is up to them. We are doing this in a peaceful way. We are going to follow every rule for this organization. But these are a lot of your classmates, these are people you sit next to in school who are in your class. You see them in Benson, you talk to them. There are a lot of people that share these ideas as well. I don’t think that it is quite fair to say that they are going to hurt people. I think that they also deserve, as an inclusive campus, to have their voices be heard.
Senior Senator Leif Allmeroth: Thank you for your presentation. This is a follow up to Raul’s question. On your second slide, you talk about the goal of your club is to inspire traditional family values respectfully. How do you define those and how do hope to inspire those on our campus?
Lauren: I think traditional values are different for every person and what their beliefs are. For me, I was a household with my mom and my dad, so that is what my family looks like. But I think that traditional values differ between every individual. Yes, there is this idea of the nuclear family, and that is not what we are trying to promote. Traditional values I think differ for every individual and how they were raised, and if your traditional values being raised in an LGBTQ+ household, then that is your traditional value and that is what you should promote.
Quinn: It is intentional by YAF.
Junior Senator Mika Philip: I have two questions about your presentation. The first one is you mentioned the TPUSA and YAF are different because TPUSA focuses on more economic stuff according to their constitution; however, one, if you check at the TPUSA website they do have free speech. Two, TPUSA has done many projects on this campus regarding free speech. With the ball and the wall, and other ones too. So why do you say that TPUSA has to focus on economic issues?
Quinn: Well, according to the constitution and their manual, so if they are doing activities outside of what they are allowed to do, maybe as student government student you should look into that... Junior Senator Mika Philip: No, no. I said it was on their website... Quinn: Respectfully, I am speaking. I’m sorry, I thought I was just trying to answer your question. So returning to your question, there are distinct differences. We are able to focus on this. Maybe they are allowed to focus on free speech and economics, but are they out there, advocating for a strong national defense or traditional values? Do they have the Reagan Ranch, do they have all of those different things that differentiate us? We also do have a history on campus with groups that are similar, but although, I would say that we are much more distance than all of those.
Junior Senator Mika Philip: And if I am allowed to my second question. My second question is You mentioned that you want to have an open dialogue and you want people to feel free to talk to you about different things. How can they feel free when you have events like “March Liberal Madness”? Lauren: I’ll say that the whole events lists are just ideas. So obviously if the student body doesn’t want events like “March Liberal Madness” then we won’t do it. If the student body isn’t a fan of one event we do one year, we won't do it next year. It’s all really what the student body wants us to do, what our members want us to do, and if people don’t like it, we won’t do it again.
First-Year Senator Allie Bare: So it is a follow up to Hiwad and Leif. One of the values that you mentioned, for an organization with a lot of ideologies and people coming together for free speech, I was wondering if you had any plans to encourage both ideological membership within your club itself and I was wondering how you hoped to do that.
Lauren: One of the big events that we want to put on is the Freedom Forum where either once a quarter, or every few times a quarter, we meet together and invite the student body to discuss different amendments to the constitution and different freedoms that we have. And bringing people together to discuss it infallibly. Also, the fact that we do have some students in the club that are registered as Democrat, and we some that are Conservatives, and some Independents, there really is a wide range of people to are able to join YAF, so it really is people’s interpretation.
Quinn: We actually have people who identify as classical liberals, it’s not that they are liberals, but they are focused on the free speech aspect and different aspects. We have a Libertarian. Anyone who wants to join can and learn about what we stand for.
At-large Senator Jim O’Brien: Thank you for acknowledging that you are a conservative club. So, they had a question about traditional values, and my experience with traditional values, it is kind of an issue that means one thing. But if you are going to be a conservative club, I want to know what your response, if you are are going to be a club, and someone comes up to you, which probably will happen. What will your response be?
Lauren: My response would first be if we are having a conversation to ask them how it is making them feel, and why it is making them feel like that. And obviously, moving forward, being able to create a dialogue with that individual or that group people who feel that it is emotionally harming them to see what we can do as an organization to change the way that we spread our message around campus so that everyone feels safe.
Jim: So if someone came up to you about legal immigration... Quinn: Specifically on that issue? So we will say why our organization believes this but we will always be respectful. When we advocate for a position, We don’t go out there... I think that is also the hallmark of our university. We are not just going to ban the idea, we are going to say why to believe it.
Sophomore Senator Sahil Sagar: As a president of an RSO, if someone has a problem with what you say or what you do and you are not representing YAF’s values, you are representing your values, and imposing it on them. How would you respond to that? Quinn: She will probably stop me before that happens, but the question... Well If I am not doing my duties per required in the constitution, obviously I shouldn’t be serving. But if its someone who thinks that my statements are not true, then I would talk to them after and try to sort it out. Again, I don’t anticipate me trying to rush out over our group. I think we have a lot of good people.
First-year Senator Hiwad Haider: Number one, the top underlining speaker that YAF wants to attract is Ben Shapiro. I’m a Muslim student, I am observing Ramadan right now, and I about to break my fast. Ben Shapiro is probably one of the most Islamophobic people. If they bring him to campus, I don’t want to go here anymore. He has been known to say things like Muslims in Europe are a disease, that Afghans civilians are worth nothing compared to white Afghan soldiers. He said that people who die in Afghanistan in the West Bank, that he doesn’t care about it. I’m talking about intent versus impact because these impacts do have emotional harm and I can’t feel good about that and I can't tolerate that.
At-large Senator Rory Pannkuk: I think the point that they brought up about past is important. I think really, they have good intentions. I do think though, that how we vote tonight will have an impact on conservative students on campus what that says to them about having free speech on campus. There are plenty of students, myself in the past, who have been targeted and have been afraid to speak up because of negative associating portrayed on them, or they have been threatened. I, unfortunately, have been threatened, I know some other students who have been threatened and their intent to speak up. So I think we might want to talk about the impact that has on conservative students.
At-large Senator Raul Orellana: Two things I want to premise before saying. One, last time YAF presented, they claimed we all voted based on our own political views, and I would just like to say that I went out of my way to invite my constituents, most of them are here actually, which I would like to say thank you. And secondly, I would like to share a statement from a student, which is kind of based on what I am voting on, I wanted to share a statement that someone shared with me. “Personally, I believe that Young Americans for Freedom should not be established on this campus, without going into their missions or their values too much, one of the main reasons I believe this is because of the competition with TPUSA. Although TPUSA might be more economically focused, we have seen examples of tabling events they have done and are pretty similar to tabling events that I would imaging YAF would do. For example, “No More Che Day” can be seen as anti-socialist, anti events that TPUSA has done. Furthermore, TPUSA has also enacted a free speech board which is one of YAF’s main values. They have also done a lot of tabling having to do with constitutional freedoms and amendments. I just fail to see how YAF will be able to sustain itself considering TPUSA already has a strong hook on many of the people who would be candidates to join YAF. I also think that the presence of YAF would further marginalize minority students on campus and if anything makes minority students feel more unsafe or targeted. What struck me, as a woman who is often labeled as an immigrant by white people, even though I was born here, is ‘sharing inspiring stories with legal immigrants which is very high on the initiatives list. First of all, no human is legal on stolen land. Secondly, sharing these stories is unnecessary and is YAF’s way of trying to slight or undermine undocumented immigrants, which in turn will target undocumented students, faculty, and staff on this campus. Also, Ben Shapiro has been known to spew Hate Speech, and I know that the school loves to preach about Lenard’s Law, but Hate Speech continues to perpetuate bigotry and insensitivity and racism. Shapiro literally said trans individuals are mentally ill, you can look it up. Honestly, this club would not make me too safe at SCU and not proud to call myself a Bronco. I really hope ASG does not support this and I hope we can do better.” I just want to say that a lot of people here today are going to claim that most of us are voting on personal and political views, but I think that it goes far beyond that. I think that we represent our constituents. I don’t think that many of you guys have gone out of your way to invite some of them. I just want to say that I am not here to vote on my own personal and political opinions, I am here to vote on behalf of my constituents. Thank you.
At-large Senator Nina Molanphy: This is very clearly a heated discussion. I first want to acknowledge in discomfit, that these topics provide to people, and thank you all for coming out as these are very sensitive topics and they do create harm. As Senator At-large for Health and Wellness, I don’t want to diminish harm, that mental, emotional, that fear, and that identity. I don’t want to diminish that, and I appreciate you all being here, but at the end of the day, even though this club does not necessarily match my ideas, my beliefs or what I think. They meet the requirements, they do not pose any physical harm to students, and if they do, once they become an RSO, if they become an RSO then we can deal with that then. But I feel like we are doing a disservice to our student body if we are removing this voice. This voice is
apart of this country whether or not we like it, we have to accept it because just by just rating SCU like its own little bubble does not mean that when we go out in this community that there are not people who are going to believe this. So I feel that we are doing a disservice to our student body if we do not allow them to have a voice on campus and that we can serve each other better if we allow these conversations to happen. Go to their events, tell them why you disagree, share your stories. If you disagree with their comments about illegal immigration, tell them your story, fill them in. If we don’t have these conversations, they are going to keep their ideas, we are going to keep our ideals, and we are going to live our lives separately. They have a right to be here. They have a right to share their voice, and I do not want to diminish the harm that they cause. Let’s work together. They have a right to be here.
Sophomore Senator Kyle Andrews: The President and Vice President gave very conflicting answers to questions, so I challenge their consistency. If they don’t hold similar answers, they will hold standards inconsistently.
First-year Senator Allie Bare: While there are similarities and differences between these clubs, I think that they are clearly different organizations. Just like there are many professional fraternities and innovation clubs, that all promote the same message. They still have a place on campus, and we can operate separately if necessary.
Junior Senator David Warne: I think that this close to what we feel strongly about and we seem to lose track of our own motivations. I think that a couple of aberrations have been made. One this is scarily similar to the whole TPUSA debacle two years ago. Same room similar crowd. We saw how that went. And also if you look at where TPUSA now, they are held high by CSI as a model RSO. They turn stuff in on time, they are never a threat to anybody. So maybe we should take that into account. Secondly, objectively we all get more picky about an RSO when we disagree with them. I would have been the first to say that their old presentation was not good. I think that you could find legitimate problems with their old presentation. This presentation was good. I don’t think that you could find any legitimate problems with their presentation as an RSO. I think you could find another RSO’s presentation that was similarly structured. So I would just love some intellectual honesty. Just examine. Raul, I know you addressed this, even if it is not your own personal believes, it is someones political beliefs. This school likes to talk about Lenards Law, but this Lenard’s Law is the law. It’s something that we have to take into account. Additionally when Bridget came in a specifically asked a question about physical harm versus mental or emotional harm, and that we should be considering only physical harm, whether you like it or not. And I understand that it is uncomfortable for many of us, but let’s just take a step back and look at everything.
Sophomore Senator Nick Niehaus: This is just my two cents since you are in the room. I would strongly suggest you not put on events like “March Liberal Madness” Just because of that
targeting other groups directly and ideology on campus directly. And I think that really suggests your intent. It’s just a suggestion.
President Sam Perez: So the first thing, I have not heard the most convincing argument all of the requirements have been fulfilled, except that they don’t match TPUSA. If any of you have intention on that then please say why because I'm seeing a lot of same member turnover, I'm seeing a lot of similar events like the free speech wall that TPUSA did a couple of weeks ago. So if you have a convincing argument I would love to hear it. The next thing is, I really did like Rory’s point about what message is sent to students who fall more conservative, I think that is really important to note. But what is also important to note is what Hiwad described. Those things that Shapiro is saying, that is, from my understanding, not conservative. So to deny a club based on that, I don’t know if it is sending a message to the conservative ideology, because those sentiments about Anti-muslim rhetoric and the conversations that I have had with conservative individuals, to my understanding that is not conservative. That is something that popped into my head when they said that. The last point that I want to bring up, to hear your guys though on it, yes we do what to facilitate discussions and encourage students to engage in colorful dialogue but at the same time where is the balance between that and students of color having to serves as an educators at the expense of their identity. Students of color are here to go to school, and to be students, and not to teach other students about their identity. So, I do want to acknowledge that balance. And yes that Bridget did we only consider physical harm, but SCU values are also important, and something I think we can pull into question. So, I just wanted to introduce those concepts and hear more about what you had to say about that.
First-year Senator Hiwad Haider: I don’t know if anyone else took the liberty to read Lenard’s Law, but I did and it says that you shall not infringe upon anyone's first amendment rights and give them disciplinary action for that. So, don’t disciple someone if they are exercising their first amendment rights. Lenard’s law doesn’t say make someone an RSO because they meet the requirements. In Response to Nina’s point, think of the privilege it takes to say you can fo debate what they are saying. That means you have to take time out of your day to go to their events to go advocate for your documentation and your citizenship, or your sexual orientation. That shouldn’t be a burden placed on people and I don’t understand. Think of how many people are on Senate. Think of how many LGBTQ+ people are on the senate and think of the way we should be voting for the people who are not here at that the table.
Senate Chair Alex Perlman: I just want to clarify what everything you need to be an RSO. So, I. Am going to read the basic core requirements of becoming an RSO.So the first is that there is no significant overlap with another club on campus. So that is the first criteria. The second one is that there are enough students interested. CSI mandates that there are at least 15 interested. And third, is an RSO fallows all school policies, and state and government laws. An example of this in the investing club, they wanted to actively invest money. So those are the core requirements when I come to voting as a senator. So this is where it is more ambiguous and up to you all to navigate. We do have to follow all school policies and rule, enforced by the school and laid out by Bridget. Lenard’s Law is part of that. Also the constitution of ASG and to represent your constituents. So you are looking for these. Sometimes they pass it us because sometimes we can see that two RSOs closer than Lori can because we are students. So you are looking for those and you are also representing your constituents. So also keep in mind as you are repressing your constituents, if you are LGBTQ+ and inclusion, you represent all of them. IF you are a class senator, you represent your entire class.
Sophomore Senator Sahil Sagar: I want to go back to Kyle’s point about leadership aspects, Personally, I honestly don’t think that YAF, as a club, if it were to come to campus, would harm the university or the students it's the difference between the leadership (that makes me cautious about the club). I think Kyle brought up an excellent point about how both people have very different responses. And how you responded to students calling you out on not breaking where your values are and the clubs values are really important, and I didn’t get a specific answer for that. The fact that the leadership isn’t on the same page is important, and also kind of scary. So, I think that is something that we should definitely think about, because the way this leadership is angled, controls the entire way this club is perceived and the clubs actions.
Junior Senator David Warne: I think that you can choose to see it as, weakness or as a strength. I think that you could see that as they are not on the same page or they are open to a variety of different positions. God knows in ASG we have our own history of exec disagreeing at times, but look at this ASG and everything it has accomplished in the past year. We can see it from either angle.
President Sam Perez: One thing that I want to saw quickly, that David was saying howTPUSA has a record of turning in their forms on time. I do want to acknowledge the other day, when they had their free speech wall right outside of Chappelle lounge, that was actually very difficult for a lot of students constantly hearing that as they went not their space. So as much as we do want to acknowledge, there is that there has been an impact there and that is something that this body should recognize.
At-large Senator Jim O’Brien: If you say no, they are going to come back. If you confirm them, you can regulate them and challenge their ideas.
First-year Senator Kate Padrnos: we should values speech as intellectuals and more speech is better than less speech.
Senior Senator Rachel Wiggins: Does it not seem odd that Ben Shapiro, and extremist, is the first person they want to visit campus? When TPUSA came they wanted Milo. They really wanted Milo that was one of the main things that they said. But people were really threatened by him and people are threatened by Ben Shapiro and that is the first person that they want to bring to campus. Is that not a difference to consider?
Junior Senator David Warne: When it was TPUSA, the talk was about Milo. Milo is way more extreme than Ben Shapiro is. So because of polarization, it grows over time, like what Jim was talking about, so that is why we continually push the line of what we consider extreme closer to the middle. I'm not saying that Ben Shapiro is at all close to the middle, but he is certainly closer to the middle than Milo is. So I think highlighting the polarization is important.
First-year Senator Luke Paulson: I think this is a challenging decision, with the interoperation’s that people have said, and I have heard a lot of great points and personal feelings, but I am trying to not let that impact my decision. And I think that just based on what Nick said and what our guidelines are and what the rules are, it seems to me that they have met everything, and so, Sahil when you were talking about leadership, It seems to me that I should be looking at YAF as more of a national group rather than the President and Vice President. Obviously, that is a factor, but interns of the conservative group mindset and what they bring about versus one example like what Hiwad was saying. I completely agree that that does not have a place here at Santa Clara, and that is not acceptable, but it is hard for me to say that that is what they are endorsing necessarily, or what their group says if that will surely happen. And if it does happen there should be consequences. It is hard for me to say that it will happen or that is what they are representing. In terms of this just being a conservative group, I think that we can't just limit that in terms of what their main principles are.
Senate Chair Alex Perlman called for a motion to vote. Junior Senator David Warne motioned to vote. At large Senator Eduardo Ruano second the motion. Pro-Tempore Mary Balestreri took roll and the RSO did not pass.
7. OLD BUSINESS
8.ANNOUNCEMENTS 9. TRANSITION / ADJOURNMENT
President Sahil Sagar, Vice President Maria Parker, and Senate Chair David Warne are sworn in by Chief Justice Jack Larkin Senate Chair Alex Perlman called for a motion to adjourn the May 23rd meeting of the student senate to conclude the 2018-2019 Senate. Senior Senator Eoin Lyons motioned to adjourn. At-large Senator Rory Pannkuk second the motion.
10. Roll Call
Pro-tempore Mary Balestreri took roll at 9:02 pm TRANSITION SENATE
Chief Justice Emily Yekikian is sworn in by Jack Larkin.
Incoming elected class senators are sworn in by Chief Justice Emily Yekikian
Appointed Senators are sworn in my Cheif Justice Emily Yekikian
Senator At-large for Diversity and Inclusion is sworn in by Cheif Justice Emily Yekikian
Executive Board is sworn in by Cheif Justice Emily Yekikian
Senate Chair David Warne called for a motion to adjourn. At-large Senator Allie Bare motioned to adjourn. Senior Senator Owen Wier Seconded the motion. Pro-Tempore Mary Balestreri took roll at 9:50 pm and the Transition senate was adjourned.